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		<title>By: Burner</title>
		<link>http://www.seoptimise.com/blog/2010/06/25-brutal-truths-about-seo-google-main-stream-media.html#comment-150465</link>
		<dc:creator>Burner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 18:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to SeanM, I think Google is still the key player. I think we like to moan a lot about Google but at the same time need Google.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to SeanM, I think Google is still the key player. I think we like to moan a lot about Google but at the same time need Google.</p>
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		<title>By: David Jenyns</title>
		<link>http://www.seoptimise.com/blog/2010/06/25-brutal-truths-about-seo-google-main-stream-media.html#comment-121039</link>
		<dc:creator>David Jenyns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doing SEO takes time and definitely costs money. Although some would say they can do these SEO tasks on their own and not spend anything, in the process it is better for them to check their options if they can let SEO professionals to do the work instead. That is so they can focus on some more important tasks in managing their website or online business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doing SEO takes time and definitely costs money. Although some would say they can do these SEO tasks on their own and not spend anything, in the process it is better for them to check their options if they can let SEO professionals to do the work instead. That is so they can focus on some more important tasks in managing their website or online business.</p>
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		<title>By: webTill</title>
		<link>http://www.seoptimise.com/blog/2010/06/25-brutal-truths-about-seo-google-main-stream-media.html#comment-93634</link>
		<dc:creator>webTill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2010 23:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 25 points are essential o.k. However, no more secrets. Anyone who puts a little on the topic of SEO come by themselves. The phrase &quot;Content is King, but SEO is Queen liked it so much that I need to print smooth and hang in the office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 25 points are essential o.k. However, no more secrets. Anyone who puts a little on the topic of SEO come by themselves. The phrase &#8220;Content is King, but SEO is Queen liked it so much that I need to print smooth and hang in the office.</p>
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		<title>By: How to Write Highly Popular 30+ Item List Blog Posts to Get Links and Traffic &#124; SEOptimise</title>
		<link>http://www.seoptimise.com/blog/2010/06/25-brutal-truths-about-seo-google-main-stream-media.html#comment-88049</link>
		<dc:creator>How to Write Highly Popular 30+ Item List Blog Posts to Get Links and Traffic &#124; SEOptimise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I have to combine several tags into one trend. The brutal thruths about Google, SEO etc. have been such a list. It was clear to me that there was a trend in the industry to write [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Warner Carter</title>
		<link>http://www.seoptimise.com/blog/2010/06/25-brutal-truths-about-seo-google-main-stream-media.html#comment-87735</link>
		<dc:creator>Warner Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 00:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>now if we could just get rid of the seo scammers who make big promises then cannot or will not deliver</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>now if we could just get rid of the seo scammers who make big promises then cannot or will not deliver</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://www.seoptimise.com/blog/2010/06/25-brutal-truths-about-seo-google-main-stream-media.html#comment-87489</link>
		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 23:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How many of them are in Google? How many of them use SEO friendly CMS software like WordPress? How many of them use the meta noindex tag to make sure they do not commit the SEO crime of getting indexed? People who dismiss SEO are either deceiving you or they have no clue. That’s “SEO is bullshit” bullshit.&quot;

Are these people not usually making the point that paying a lot of money for SEO is bullshit when white hat stuff is all laid out in Google&#039;s guidelines and is simple to implement?

To clarify - you are saying that SEO *is*

*Building a decent website
*Allowing yourself to be indexed
*Being in Google

- I&#039;d say that is Web Development, and nothing to do with SEO myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How many of them are in Google? How many of them use SEO friendly CMS software like WordPress? How many of them use the meta noindex tag to make sure they do not commit the SEO crime of getting indexed? People who dismiss SEO are either deceiving you or they have no clue. That’s “SEO is bullshit” bullshit.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are these people not usually making the point that paying a lot of money for SEO is bullshit when white hat stuff is all laid out in Google&#8217;s guidelines and is simple to implement?</p>
<p>To clarify &#8211; you are saying that SEO *is*</p>
<p>*Building a decent website<br />
*Allowing yourself to be indexed<br />
*Being in Google</p>
<p>- I&#8217;d say that is Web Development, and nothing to do with SEO myself.</p>
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		<title>By: 25 mentiras SEO mentirosas &#124; Territorio creativo</title>
		<link>http://www.seoptimise.com/blog/2010/06/25-brutal-truths-about-seo-google-main-stream-media.html#comment-87046</link>
		<dc:creator>25 mentiras SEO mentirosas &#124; Territorio creativo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 09:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] un tiempo, @tcreativo publicó un tuit con un enlace a un artículo, en inglés, que venía a decir: 25 verdades sobre el SEO, Google y los medios de comunicación. En [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] un tiempo, @tcreativo publicó un tuit con un enlace a un artículo, en inglés, que venía a decir: 25 verdades sobre el SEO, Google y los medios de comunicación. En [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 10 brutale Wahrheiten über SEO :: deutsche-startups.de</title>
		<link>http://www.seoptimise.com/blog/2010/06/25-brutal-truths-about-seo-google-main-stream-media.html#comment-86815</link>
		<dc:creator>10 brutale Wahrheiten über SEO :: deutsche-startups.de</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 17:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] und sein Team von Seite 1-Suchmaschinenoptimierung haben sich nun &#8211; in Anlehnung an &quot;25 Brutal Truths About SEO&quot; &#8211; erneut mit Fakten, Mythen und Halbwahrheiten rund um das Thema [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] und sein Team von Seite 1-Suchmaschinenoptimierung haben sich nun &#8211; in Anlehnung an &#8220;25 Brutal Truths About SEO&#8221; &#8211; erneut mit Fakten, Mythen und Halbwahrheiten rund um das Thema [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SEO: 25 brutale Wahrheiten &#171; Der Unternehmensblog von adocom</title>
		<link>http://www.seoptimise.com/blog/2010/06/25-brutal-truths-about-seo-google-main-stream-media.html#comment-86452</link>
		<dc:creator>SEO: 25 brutale Wahrheiten &#171; Der Unternehmensblog von adocom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 12:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Wahrheiten in Anlehnung an 25 Brutal Truths about SEO … Dort findet ihr auch zahlreiche Links zu Zusatzinformationen und Belegen für die 25 brutalen [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Wahrheiten in Anlehnung an 25 Brutal Truths about SEO … Dort findet ihr auch zahlreiche Links zu Zusatzinformationen und Belegen für die 25 brutalen [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lars Heinemann</title>
		<link>http://www.seoptimise.com/blog/2010/06/25-brutal-truths-about-seo-google-main-stream-media.html#comment-86444</link>
		<dc:creator>Lars Heinemann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 11:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good article.

SEO is a hard job and its good to have some good advice.

I agree online reputation management, SEO takes time. 

I help partners of adocom to perform better.

Greeting from Berlin

Lars</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good article.</p>
<p>SEO is a hard job and its good to have some good advice.</p>
<p>I agree online reputation management, SEO takes time. </p>
<p>I help partners of adocom to perform better.</p>
<p>Greeting from Berlin</p>
<p>Lars</p>
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		<title>By: online reputation management</title>
		<link>http://www.seoptimise.com/blog/2010/06/25-brutal-truths-about-seo-google-main-stream-media.html#comment-86295</link>
		<dc:creator>online reputation management</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SEO definitely takes time to establish. Sometimes it is hard telling people that they can&#039;t expect to meet all their goals immediately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SEO definitely takes time to establish. Sometimes it is hard telling people that they can&#8217;t expect to meet all their goals immediately.</p>
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		<title>By: SEOP</title>
		<link>http://www.seoptimise.com/blog/2010/06/25-brutal-truths-about-seo-google-main-stream-media.html#comment-86253</link>
		<dc:creator>SEOP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 05:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Everybody publishing on the Web does SEO&quot;

Totally agree. That is why I find it funny that some people writing on their blogs and website how they don&#039;t like SEO and they don&#039;t need it for promotion. Writing, just mere writing something on your website is you doing SEO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Everybody publishing on the Web does SEO&#8221;</p>
<p>Totally agree. That is why I find it funny that some people writing on their blogs and website how they don&#8217;t like SEO and they don&#8217;t need it for promotion. Writing, just mere writing something on your website is you doing SEO.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Tong</title>
		<link>http://www.seoptimise.com/blog/2010/06/25-brutal-truths-about-seo-google-main-stream-media.html#comment-86204</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Tong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 17:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course SEO is important and backlinks are definitely king when it comes to good SEO. Thanks for the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course SEO is important and backlinks are definitely king when it comes to good SEO. Thanks for the article.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Fergie</title>
		<link>http://www.seoptimise.com/blog/2010/06/25-brutal-truths-about-seo-google-main-stream-media.html#comment-85972</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Fergie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 10:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tad: I was under the impression that Google using us as OCR bots was partly to prevent bots from spamming them and partly to assist with their scanning of library books. Tests that are used for the 2nd part ask the user to recognise two words; one of which is a control and one of which is a piece of scanned text that can&#039;t be deciphered. I do not consider this unethical.

I agree that the way they scrape content is not ethical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tad: I was under the impression that Google using us as OCR bots was partly to prevent bots from spamming them and partly to assist with their scanning of library books. Tests that are used for the 2nd part ask the user to recognise two words; one of which is a control and one of which is a piece of scanned text that can&#8217;t be deciphered. I do not consider this unethical.</p>
<p>I agree that the way they scrape content is not ethical.</p>
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		<title>By: Alain Saffel - Edmonton SEO guy</title>
		<link>http://www.seoptimise.com/blog/2010/06/25-brutal-truths-about-seo-google-main-stream-media.html#comment-85837</link>
		<dc:creator>Alain Saffel - Edmonton SEO guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the list. I&#039;ll have to check them out. 

One of my big worries about Yahoo Analytics was the uncertainty surrounding the company (still). For most of my clients, any kind of paid analytics doesn&#039;t make much sense, which is why GA has been my first choice. I&#039;m reluctant to migrate, mainly because of the valuable data generated so far.

Guess I&#039;ll have to try a few with some of my own sites before making any recommendations to clients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the list. I&#8217;ll have to check them out. </p>
<p>One of my big worries about Yahoo Analytics was the uncertainty surrounding the company (still). For most of my clients, any kind of paid analytics doesn&#8217;t make much sense, which is why GA has been my first choice. I&#8217;m reluctant to migrate, mainly because of the valuable data generated so far.</p>
<p>Guess I&#8217;ll have to try a few with some of my own sites before making any recommendations to clients.</p>
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		<title>By: Tad Chef</title>
		<link>http://www.seoptimise.com/blog/2010/06/25-brutal-truths-about-seo-google-main-stream-media.html#comment-85828</link>
		<dc:creator>Tad Chef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave: Yes, indeed. It always feels better to get crap off your mind by writing it down and publishing it. Otherwise it pollutes your mind and soul for years to come.

Richard: I&#039;ve published an overview of black hat SEO techniques that can be used ethically just a short while ago. So I agree with you that it depends on the context whether it&#039;s black hat or ethical. Still the way Google uses us as OCR bots and how it scrapes whole blog posts in Google Buzz is not ethical. I feel cheated and robbed.
Your logic means that scrapers like Mahalo and Google Buzz are OK as long as the branding is done right? But John Doe SEO scraping is bad?

Alain: Exactly. Many people think like that. Thus Zen Habits published the post about getting rid of Google. Yahoo Analytics is not the only alternative for GA. I&#039;ve provided a big list of tools here:
http://www.seoptimise.com/blog/2009/02/40-advanced-web-analytics-tools-for-business-small-and-big.html

SeanM: Bing and Microsoft aren&#039;t better when it comes to ethics. The Bing search results are sometimes almost as good as Google but the localization sucks. For instance I can&#039;t use Bing in English correctly because I access it from Germany. There is no easy solution like switching to another engine. We have to keep our eyes open though.

Jon: Google won&#039;t charge us very soon but the y might in a few years. What&#039;s more troubling is that Google just discontinues not profitable services you might depend on. I should have mentioned that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave: Yes, indeed. It always feels better to get crap off your mind by writing it down and publishing it. Otherwise it pollutes your mind and soul for years to come.</p>
<p>Richard: I&#8217;ve published an overview of black hat SEO techniques that can be used ethically just a short while ago. So I agree with you that it depends on the context whether it&#8217;s black hat or ethical. Still the way Google uses us as OCR bots and how it scrapes whole blog posts in Google Buzz is not ethical. I feel cheated and robbed.<br />
Your logic means that scrapers like Mahalo and Google Buzz are OK as long as the branding is done right? But John Doe SEO scraping is bad?</p>
<p>Alain: Exactly. Many people think like that. Thus Zen Habits published the post about getting rid of Google. Yahoo Analytics is not the only alternative for GA. I&#8217;ve provided a big list of tools here:<br />
<a href="http://www.seoptimise.com/blog/2009/02/40-advanced-web-analytics-tools-for-business-small-and-big.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.seoptimise.com/blog/2009/02/40-advanced-web-analytics-tools-for-business-small-and-big.html</a></p>
<p>SeanM: Bing and Microsoft aren&#8217;t better when it comes to ethics. The Bing search results are sometimes almost as good as Google but the localization sucks. For instance I can&#8217;t use Bing in English correctly because I access it from Germany. There is no easy solution like switching to another engine. We have to keep our eyes open though.</p>
<p>Jon: Google won&#8217;t charge us very soon but the y might in a few years. What&#8217;s more troubling is that Google just discontinues not profitable services you might depend on. I should have mentioned that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.seoptimise.com/blog/2010/06/25-brutal-truths-about-seo-google-main-stream-media.html#comment-85756</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 09:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Google charged for it&#039;s services, i would have to pay. I can&#039;t imagine the hassel it would cause to transfer everything to another provider (maybe i should not have written this)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Google charged for it&#8217;s services, i would have to pay. I can&#8217;t imagine the hassel it would cause to transfer everything to another provider (maybe i should not have written this)</p>
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		<title>By: SeanM</title>
		<link>http://www.seoptimise.com/blog/2010/06/25-brutal-truths-about-seo-google-main-stream-media.html#comment-85733</link>
		<dc:creator>SeanM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 00:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There seems to be a pretty big anti-google upswelling,
I wonder if we are going to see a big shift to Bing over the next year?
Or are they (MS) any better?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There seems to be a pretty big anti-google upswelling,<br />
I wonder if we are going to see a big shift to Bing over the next year?<br />
Or are they (MS) any better?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://www.seoptimise.com/blog/2010/06/25-brutal-truths-about-seo-google-main-stream-media.html#comment-85729</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 23:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, i agree quality post. We all work for Google, SEO-ers, our clients and the consumers. We do work hard with good results and hopefully in the next couple of years search will change beyond all recognition for the better - and the monopoly will be questioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, i agree quality post. We all work for Google, SEO-ers, our clients and the consumers. We do work hard with good results and hopefully in the next couple of years search will change beyond all recognition for the better &#8211; and the monopoly will be questioned.</p>
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		<title>By: Online Marketing Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.seoptimise.com/blog/2010/06/25-brutal-truths-about-seo-google-main-stream-media.html#comment-85705</link>
		<dc:creator>Online Marketing Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 17:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in my experience clients do recognise the importance of seo to their business but my frustration is that the monetary amount they place on it is demeaning, typically £50-£100 per month, yet they&#039;re quite happy to pay £1000 for a crappy ad i9n an even crappier trade magazine!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in my experience clients do recognise the importance of seo to their business but my frustration is that the monetary amount they place on it is demeaning, typically £50-£100 per month, yet they&#8217;re quite happy to pay £1000 for a crappy ad i9n an even crappier trade magazine!</p>
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